Former News of the World editor Andy Coulson's 'mobile phone was hacked by his own newspaper's private detective' Coulson, 45, 'fully in the know' about illegal practice, prosecution has said. Jane: Obviously, your boys came to see you there and you tried to keep it as jolly and normal as possible, but when they left that must have been hard. Andy: Their choice really. And then we were brought in to see you. And I managed to get down just in time and before you know it youre off driving through the city and I just remember looking at the bright blue sky really. Series 2. Do you still have dark days? He thankfully survived and is perfectly fit and well now, but it was touch and go for a while and ask me those moments, you know, when your son is going into an operating theatre, compare that moment with the moment of going through the green door that I described; there is no comparison. Jane: So, lets sort of go back in time a bit. Andy: Probably a bit of both. [25], Coulson became the Conservative Party's director of communications on 9 July 2007. [21], Coulson resigned on 26 January 2007 over the News of the World phone hacking affair which would several weeks later see the jailing for four months of the paper's Royal correspondent Clive Goodman. His predecessors had had the highest level of vetting, as did his successor and (after his departure) his deputy. Rebekah Brooks, No 10'S former spin doctor Andy Coulson and three others appeared at Westminster Magistrates' Court today. There was a real kind of internal crisis, funnily enough, at Belmarsh at that moment. Throughout his career Andy has been, as he puts it, poacher, gamekeeper and game - experiencing crisis from every angle. [42] Coulson has denied these latest claims. And that is not a good moment. I wasnt released on good behaviour, thats the system. [20], He became deputy editor of the News of the World, the Sunday sister paper of The Sun, in 2000. Not given a reason why and that you should prepare yourself for spending your sentence here entirely. So thats why were doing this. So, I spot the signs and I know what to do and I know how to kind of avoid it. I wont ever be at peace with it, I suspect in one sense, because it hurts. Which do you think it was? Thats a memory I didnt want my boys to have and I regret that. But no, certainly not in this kind of context. There were a lot of agendas being played. I was really concerned. Andrew Edward Coulson (born 21 January 1968) is an English journalist and political strategist. The judge hearing Coulson's trial was critical of the prime minister, pondering whether the intervention was out of ignorance or deliberate, and demanded an explanation. 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Explaining his ruling, Lord Burns said that for Coulson to be found guilty it was necessary for the Crown to prove that the allegedly untrue evidence he had given at the 2010 Sheridan trial had been relevant to the issues in it. Andy: Well I just think for anyone, him or anyone, me included, trying to live life through the rear-view mirror is an utterly pointless exercise, so I dont know. Lots of people were sending me books and I wasnt allowed to have them because they were, I thought rather ridiculously, banned at that stage by a former colleague of mine, Chris Grayling. Getty Images offers exclusive rights-ready and premium royalty-free analog, HD, and 4K video of the highest quality. And then I was told its 18 months and before you know it, youre through that green door and youre handcuffed and youre taken down to the cells. Ex News International chief executive Brooks, former Sun . (listen here). No one knows in advance. "[31] According to Chris Bryant MP, senior officials working with Coulson believed that he had the same clearance level as his predecessor. [34], On 7 February 2011, Coulson and his wife established 'Elbrus Consultants Ltd'. We built a brilliant team, we had the coalition. [8] He was detained and charged with perjury by Strathclyde Police on 30 May 2012 in relation to evidence he had given in the trial of Scottish politician Tommy Sheridan in 2010, and cleared on 3 June 2015. And that was partly necessary, just from a practical point of view, but it was also definitely a coping mechanism as well. It's only the bloody Stig.This Just In is an online comedy service . We worked together for a long time. Andy: No, I was acutely aware of that, having published so many of those pictures. Youve got to find your match and Ive definitely done that. I was an editor of the News of the World for four years. But Ive got some good techniques now. Andy Coulson, the former Downing Street Communications Director and News of the World editor, has given his first detailed interview about the scandal that ended, in 2014, with a spell in HMP. I know Harvey was, what, 14? There are probably people out there who maybe even think worse, but there is nothing I can do about that. I had proper moments of depression, without a shadow of a doubt, but I found ways of dealing with that and also I got a lot of help. Its an audit, right, when these things happen in your life. I think that we are all stronger for it. Youve got to be either black or white. The most common refrain was Its not like the House of Commons, is it Andy?. Jane: So how did you find out, or when did you find out that you were being moved? Thats basically where you spend yourself emotionally as an editor, in between those two things. Dont try and solve it all. Coulson was name-checked by Alan Partridge (Steve Coogan) in an episode of This Time with Alan Partridge (Series 02, Episode 02) during an introduction to a segment about law and order. Andy: Better than the alternative. For me and for Eloise, ask us honestly, was this the worst thing that ever happened to us? One you can have total control over, and that is: dont get into debt. That came not long after I arrived in Belmarsh and that was probably the worst moment. Its actually a relatively modern prison but its got, as anyone whos been there, either inside or visiting, will know, this enormous American-style prison wall around its perimeter, and massive gates. "[29][30], In July 2011 questions were raised about Coulson's security vetting at Number Ten. And then youre off and youre into the admission process which, again, is not especially pleasant, I have to say. And the reason that Ive been able to, its been a long time since I came out of prison and the reason Ive been able to get back on my feet, Ive got a reasonably successful business now and Ive got some fantastic clients and colleagues, life is pretty good, and that is in large part due to her. So ask me what my biggest regret is, I would absolutely say it was the decision that I took to have my two oldest sons, not Finn, come and visit me in Belmarsh, because it was only a couple of weeks after that visit that I got moved. As every step forward you take, again without trying to get too poetic about it, that rucksack, which is how I see it, its a rucksack with a bunch of rocks in it and every six months or so it gets significantly lighter. One of the principles of prison is that everyone has to be on the same level. You talk about your wife, Eloise, and also your three sons. David Cameron's former spin doctor Andy Coulson was among seven people in court earlier charged in connection with the phone hacking scandal. So, youve got inmates there who have been in prison for a very long time. [24] The judgement singled out Coulson for making "bullying" remarks in an email to Driscoll. I think on one level the answer was yes, because it was just so long. Its that judgement thing again, you know. My brother was there and one of my best pals, Kris, and there was a lot of manly hugging and goodbyes. Jane: So, you pitch up at Category A prison HMP Belmarsh. Because they, obviously, are the most important thing in my life, along with Eloise, and I wanted them to see that I was OK. I mean, there were lots of theories at the time. He attended Beauchamps High School, a secondary school and sixth form college, from 1979 to 1986. Andy: No, as I say, only during the course of a very long trial in the Old Bailey where I answered every question, I gave full evidence and answered every question that was asked of me by a fair number of lawyers and a judge. Id start with that, I think. And I managed to get there. It taught me that I consider myself to be a reasonably good friend but I think I could have been better, so I think it taught me to be a better friend. Hoare speaking on Five Live, Drive, 3 September 2010. David Cameron appointed Coulson as communications director in 2007. But there are a whole bunch of mistakes from a leadership point of view, I was the boss. Its a prison and a system thats designed to get prisoners re-engaging with society again and to prepare for release. The problem was that I wasnt being categorised and I was told categorically, youre not going to get categorised. Actually, the most common refrain was Its not like the House of Commons, is it Andy? Not that I was ever an MP. Ive never been through what youve been through, but a lot of people when they have a day or whatever, you think about other people who are worse off than you. Normally youre packing to go on holiday, but youre packing to go to prison. And I think that is a clear lesson, that the what if is as pointless as the why me?. [1] They have three children. [62], Coulson was charged with having committed perjury during the trial in 2010 of Tommy and Gail Sheridan. [2], Coulson started work at 18 as a junior reporter on the Basildon Echo in 1986. [22], On 21 July 2009 Coulson appeared in front of the House of Commons Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee and denied any knowledge of the phone hacking scandal, saying "my instructions to the staff were clear we did not use subterfuge of any kind unless there was a clear public interest in doing so. Do you think thats fair? Andy: Yeah, my view was that they had absolutely every right to be at the end of my drive and they had every right to try and get a picture of me and I had every right to avoid it. He was acquitted in two, including one in Scotland, but was convicted of conspiracy to intercept communications, or phone-hacking as it became known, and at the Old Bailey was sentenced to 18 months. Jane: Another clich is that you never know what youve got until theres a danger that you might lose it, which must have been a very real possibility in terms of your marriage in your own head. I dont need you take my advice but I do need you to listen to my advice. What I was reading, I disagreed with. That these prison sentences, you end up in a holiday-camp prison. Colton came . Very hard to get it down to 10 songs, let alone get it down to one, but I think if I had to choose one it would be Keep Your Head Up by Ben Howard, which is a bit of a family anthem. But thats the really easy answer to give, isnt it? Coulson had served as the editor of News of the World from 2003 to 2007, when he Read More I cant say I succeeded in that regard, but that was certainly the instinctive approach that I took to it. Jane: So, youre packing your bag. I think it is partly chemistry and I think its partly experience and I have got a lot of crisis experience from a professional point of view. If thats how he feels, thats how he feels. And its like eating rotten fruit. And the Old Bailey is a court that is straight out of central casting. But more that, my conviction is spent now, its gone. We were doing, it sounds ridiculous, Dragons Den presentations of ideas for what they were going to do when they got released, and mock interviews. Coulson is pictured leaving the court earlier. Five years that saw him fall from grace from Number 10 Downing Street to a cell in a high-security prison. Andy: I dont know about that, but when I went to work for David, funnily enough the whole friendship thing came up quite quickly because not long after Id started to work for him there was a moment when I picked up the newspaper on a Saturday morning and I was learning things that I didnt know about what David was going to do with regards to a trip, I think it was. The judge himself, I think, said right at the start, British justice is on trial and when you are the person in the dock, I think you know that if this goes wrong its going to go badly wrong. Jane: So, there came a point where you thought, OK, I dont know how long Im going to be here. Jane: And I was going to say, in hindsight would you have taken that job? And Eloise, who is a considerably more evolved human being than I am, knew that long before I did and shes trained me well in that regard. There are very, very few of them that I continue to feel any sort of disappointment about, because people have got their own lives and you see that very quickly. I think it probably did. But this kind of disconnection from family, whatever the circumstances, is just a fundamental negative. Jane: Are you still friends? I got my head around it pretty quickly and what I kind of understood fairly swiftly is that the thing that should make you nervous about being in prison is violence, obviously. Andy: Hindsight yeah, but honestly hindsight is pointless in my view, particularly when you are trying to get through the crisis. Andy: Well, I think because of the podcast series. Jane: You are just talking there about your absolute love of that job at Downing Street. Coulson was the editor of the News of the World from 2003 until his resignation in 2007, following the conviction of one of the newspaper's reporters in relation to illegal phone-hacking. Business City Spy: PR Week unveils its top spinners of the year. [52], On 24 July 2012, Coulson was charged along with seven others for "conspiring to intercept communications without lawful authority from 3 October 2000 to 9 August 2006. Jane: Well that was sort of going to be my next question, because undoubtedly your role at Downing Street heightened the interest in your trial. Jane: In his memoir, David Cameron wrote that he was wrong to insist that you were innocent until proven guilty and that he should have removed you in 2010 until the scandal snowballed. And thats the reason why I resigned. Jane: We talked a bit, obviously, there about family and knowing the value of your family. This article is more than 8 years old Andy Coulson, the criminal who had David Cameron's confidence Former No 10 spin doctor is found guilty of hacking charge while Rebekah Brooks is cleared of. Jane: So, when you talk to other people you intro it with crisis stories worth sharing. I found myself, very quickly, saying things in my own head that I had been saying to members of the cabinet not that long before, albeit them facing different crises, the principles were the same. [18] On 3 June 2015, he was cleared of those perjury charges, since, if he had lied, it would not have been relevant to the outcome. Coulson was the editor of the News of the World from 2003 until his resignation in 2007, following the conviction of one of the newspaper's reporters in relation to illegal phone-hacking. The second, I think, would be music, which has also been incredibly important for me and for the family. Andy: Yeah, always. I was an ex-Murdoch employee in government and a lot of people really didnt like that and saw a lot of conspiracies within that, that I was some kind of stooge, which I absolutely was not. Andy: Yeah, I have occasional grey days. Andy: Yeah, it is, it is hard. - Delivered a Conduct-focused approach and embedded cultural change focused on . I just wanted to see them. He had not been subjected to the highest level of vetting, "developed vetting", allowing unrestricted access to top secret material. Andy: Well, just the checking-in process because Id obviously tried to do some research beforehand. Everything is there in that book and its a cracking read. So, when you came back after being found guilty and before going back to be sentenced, you had that time at home. Andy Coulson. So, they made me an education orderly and I went and worked with a brilliant woman who runs the education programme at Hollesley Bay and I was effectively her teaching assistant, if you like. Therefore, the search process before you come in for a visit, as a visitor, is pretty unpleasant. He subsequently joined David Cameron's personnel as communications director, until announcing his departure on 21 January 2011 because of continued media coverage of the phone-hacking affair. I never asked for any favours at all from anyone, but what I didnt think was fair was for me to be treated differently. And I made mistakes in my personal life as well, and so Ive never at any point felt why me? about it because thats just not how I feel. The source alleged that Coulson had personally listened to messages obtained through phone hacking. Mar 2016 - Oct 20182 years 8 months. And my parents are grafters, that was always very clear. I quite like the one-in-five theory; that out of five people that you meet, three of them will be indifferent, one will think that youre an absolute superstar and the other one will never want to look you in the face again. During the course of the first series, there have been a few moments where people have asked me, guests have asked me, about my own experiences and Ive been happy to give a response. What conversations did you have with your older boys? Those were my choices and when you take jobs like that, people are going to form a view. I was working with people from another party and we all made that work really well. I love a good book, both fiction and non-fiction. And they were nothing short of incredible. Jane: Because it had been quite a high-profile trial. The Coulson Brothers - Mills Brothers Medley -Bass Guitar & Vocals - Curt CoulsonLead Guitar & Vocals - Jack CoulsonKeyboards & Vocals - Otis CliftonDrums & . So, I was a very willing crisis volunteer long before I became a conscript. I spent five years talking about it. Jane: I remember coming to see you with Eloise and the boys and you all sort of sit in a gymnasium, dont you? I was all over it. Andy: Its a wretched moment and you know immediately really that youre going to be going to prison. And as a result of that I met a large number of prisoners because I was helping them put their CVs together. Search instead in Creative? And there are blokes there, for a whole range of reasons, who are trying to make sense of their lives again and who are disconnected from their families. Certainly not for me. I had plenty of offers and I just didnt. Then before I knew it I was standing on the landing and being put into a holding cell and then they told me Youre going to Suffolk, going to a place called Hollesley Bay.' [14] On 30 June 2014, it was announced that he would face a retrial over two counts of conspiring to cause misconduct in public office in relation to the alleged purchase of confidential royal phone directories in 2005 from a palace police officer after the jury in the original trial was unable to reach a verdict on them. Discover Andy Coulson's Biography, Age, Height, Physical Stats, Dating/Affairs, Family and career updates. I think actually, given that I was a tabloid newspaper editor and a political communications director, I dont really think theres much of a moral high-horse for me to climb on if people want to form a view of me. [14] I accepted the verdict in the end, or rather its consequences I accepted. I can tell you that Belmarsh is not a holiday camp by any measure. So, in this episode Ill be asking the questions in an attempt to unravel Andys five years of crisis. Appalling times, by the way, that are far in excess of anything that Ive ever experienced, and we became friends. "[45], A report aired on Channel 4's Dispatches in October included remarks made by an unnamed source, said to have been a former senior journalist at the News of the World who worked alongside Coulson. But the bigger point for me is that number of people who ran into the gunfire for me, who owed me nothing and who have become unbelievable friends and support to me and to the family. [33], Prior to the jury handing down their verdict after Coulson's trial, Cameron issued a "full and frank" apology for hiring Coulson, saying "I am extremely sorry that I employed him. I have to say, everyone through that process, the prison officers down in the cells at the Old Bailey, could not have been, frankly, more friendly. Prosecutor Andrew Edis QC. I didnt accept the verdict but I certainly accepted its consequences. Im pleased about that but someone needs to tell Google. I want to focus on what we dont know, which is obviously the theme of this podcast, and how you handled that crisis point of your life and, of course, the effect that it had on your family. Dublin. Andy: Well that didnt happen immediately, because theres a period of time between verdict and sentencing. Youve got to accept it, your good decisions and your bad decisions, and you have just got to move forward so trying to unpick in the past ask me from the point of a mental health issue, if you like, without doubt the most damaging, corrosive thing, is that reliving the past. As director of communications for the Conservatives he does an excellent job in a proper, upright way at all times. Andy: Absolutely, yeah. The work ethic amongst us all is very clear. And I tried to make the best of it. And its going to be Groundhog Day and actually the consequences of that trial could be even worse in Scotland and then a whole load of politics attached to that and theres a whole load of new agendas. Jane: OK, and finally you asked this of all your guests, the three crisis cures, if you like, and you know the rules; it cant be a person. I mean, you've probably faced a few challenges in your life but an eight-month trial at the Old Bailey, followed by prison, is obviously another league. I remember, vividly, a young man sitting on his own for the entire duration because nobody came to see him. I think woe is me are probably the three most useless words in any event. We talk about it and funnily enough they, it would be wrong to say that they laugh about it, but they found some aspects of it quite fascinating. And I was able, very quickly totally different approach, totally different kind of attitude, the governor there, his view was, weve got you for a while and were going to make the most of it. [59] In June 2014, Coulson was found guilty of one charge of conspiracy to intercept voicemails and he was sentenced to 18 months in prison on 4 July 2014. Your job is to be judgemental. Monty was 12? In 2001, in the run up to the general election, he asked Tony and Cherie Blair whether they were members of the mile high club. The way I choose to deal with it and the way Ive chosen to deal with it is be positive and go and build a business and employ some brilliant people, which I now do and go and work with a fantastic set of clients, which I do. I think that the danger with this conversation, if Im brutally honest with you, as we sit here right at the start of it, is that it somehow comes off as woe is me. That moment when I spoke to my lawyers from prison. There were so many different things that were unravelling in my life that I realised that if I tried to deal with them all, I would probably go mad. Im undoubtedly happier. Andy: Well because Belmarsh is a high-security prison for a reason. There are dogs and there are searches and its another one of those sort of movie scenes. On one level its fundamentally depressing to find yourself there. I like to think Im a better husband; I like to think Im a better father, a better friend. Browse 1,448 andy coulson stock photos and images available, or start a new search to explore more stock photos and images. Jane: And they take all of your clothes away, I assume? How can I do that? I think thats been an enormous help. Andy talks about confronting his mistakes and the . And then I noticed that the windows of the Serco van that I was in were rose-tinted. Again, that came out in a previous podcast, I think with Jeremy. [27], After David Cameron became Prime Minister in May 2010, he appointed Coulson as Director of Communications for the government at 10 Downing Street. Actually, in the conversation with Chris Lewis we were discussing this. But pretty quickly I got my head around it and although we spent a lot of time behind the door there were also periods of time when youre allowed out to exercise, walking around a concrete yard. Do you sort of feel, oddly, that all that crisis brought you closer together? 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